Pope Benedict made it very clear at the beginning of his pontificate that he is NOT a king therefore the word 'throne' when speaking of the 'Servant of the Servants of God' really is not appropriate. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus of Nazareth. OK, I have nostalgic feelings about SOME of the old 'pomp', but the Church is a living things and like all living things, it grows and matures when it is loved, fed and cared for. (Jimmy)
John, I truly admire your dogged persistence but do you ever get any positive feedback from anyone of consequence in Rome for your exhortations, ejaculations and calls for immediate canonizations (of your endless list of "the Greats" that populate the Eternal City)? I would picket the relevant offices of liturgical officials and inundate them with petitions to undo the awful mess that still is tolerated from the top down over there. God help you.
Anon @ 8:33am: If you think its shameful for the faithful to appeal and exhort (which is all I can assume given the context of your comment), you obviously aren't familiar with what the Church herself says are the rights of the faithful.
Anon @ 10:08: The use of "throne" is also what is traditionally used for referring to the chair or cathedra of any bishop. It is traditional usage and there is nothing wrong with continuing that. Regardless of what you want to call it, there is nothing wrong with appealing for the restoration of this particular form of cathedra.
Anon @ 10:32: John's labours at very least have the influence of at least inspiring and influencing others. Keep it up John!
To Anonymous at 10:08 who claimed that Christ is not King, did not Christ declare to Pilate he is King in John 18:37? And also there are the centuries of Church teachings on the Kingship of Christ especially encyc. Quas Primas by Pope Pius XI that teach Christ is King and is to be honored as such. Are you just invincibly ignorant of that or do you follow some sort of personal create your own Christianity that's against authority and hierarchy.
The title Servant of the Servants of God has existed for as long as the Papal tiara has and is not a new thing and it's certainly not incompatible with symbols of authority and hierarchy such as thrones and crowns as Christ also said that he had come to serve. To serve is to reign. St. Pope Pius X taught in his encyc. Pascendi that the honor and dignity paid to authority is reflected back on Christ himself who instituted it. Judas protested against Mary Magdelane for anointing Christ's feet with expensive perfume but Jesus rebuked him for it and so Judas later betrayed him to the cross.
I hope you and many others out there learn these simple facts so that that the Kingship of Christ and his laws can reign again so we can have peace and well ordered civilisation. I don't write these articles on blogs to score points and make myself feel good. I do it to serve the other servants of God.
The postconciliar papal liturgies in their unprecedented stereotype sterility and amorphousness do not fit in any way the unique environment of St. Peter's. Even the lukewarm and conceptless changes under Mgr. Guido Marini represent more an odd caricature of the elaborate preconciliar liturgical grandeur than a step in the right direction towards immemorial rites and symbols, which so brilliantly formed the preconciliar cult.
Would be nice to see the Throne at Christmas and Easter celebrations at the least. Not everything has to be abolished from sight forever. Too much haste.
your disrespect - very shameful
ReplyDeletePope Benedict made it very clear at the beginning of his pontificate that he is NOT a king therefore the word 'throne' when speaking of the 'Servant of the Servants of God' really is not appropriate. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus of Nazareth.
ReplyDeleteOK, I have nostalgic feelings about SOME of the old 'pomp', but the Church is a living things and like all living things, it grows and matures when it is loved, fed and cared for. (Jimmy)
Ano of 8:33am, what are you talking about? Weirdo.
ReplyDeleteJohn, I truly admire your dogged persistence but do you ever get any positive feedback from anyone of consequence in Rome for your exhortations, ejaculations and calls for immediate canonizations (of your endless list of "the Greats" that populate the Eternal City)? I would picket the relevant offices of liturgical officials and inundate them with petitions to undo the awful mess that still is tolerated from the top down over there. God help you.
ReplyDeleteUm, don't take this blog too seriously, kids. It's just a blog, right? Too many tight shirts around here, me thinks.
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 8:33am: If you think its shameful for the faithful to appeal and exhort (which is all I can assume given the context of your comment), you obviously aren't familiar with what the Church herself says are the rights of the faithful.
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 10:08: The use of "throne" is also what is traditionally used for referring to the chair or cathedra of any bishop. It is traditional usage and there is nothing wrong with continuing that. Regardless of what you want to call it, there is nothing wrong with appealing for the restoration of this particular form of cathedra.
Anon @ 10:32: John's labours at very least have the influence of at least inspiring and influencing others. Keep it up John!
Too many blog readers are like an iguana on a hot rock.
ReplyDeleteIsn't that the pot calling the kettle black, John? You take things seriously enough for us all. =)
ReplyDeleteTo Anonymous at 10:08 who claimed that Christ is not King, did not Christ declare to Pilate he is King in John 18:37? And also there are the centuries of Church teachings on the Kingship of Christ especially encyc. Quas Primas by Pope Pius XI that teach Christ is King and is to be honored as such. Are you just invincibly ignorant of that or do you follow some sort of personal create your own Christianity that's against authority and hierarchy.
ReplyDeleteThe title Servant of the Servants of God has existed for as long as the Papal tiara has and is not a new thing and it's certainly not incompatible with symbols of authority and hierarchy such as thrones and crowns as Christ also said that he had come to serve. To serve is to reign. St. Pope Pius X taught in his encyc. Pascendi that the honor and dignity paid to authority is reflected back on Christ himself who instituted it. Judas protested against Mary Magdelane for anointing Christ's feet with expensive perfume but Jesus rebuked him for it and so Judas later betrayed him to the cross.
I hope you and many others out there learn these simple facts so that that the Kingship of Christ and his laws can reign again so we can have peace and well ordered civilisation. I don't write these articles on blogs to score points and make myself feel good. I do it to serve the other servants of God.
And by the way, John keep up the great work!
The postconciliar papal liturgies in their unprecedented stereotype sterility and amorphousness do not fit in any way the unique environment of St. Peter's. Even the lukewarm and conceptless changes under Mgr. Guido Marini represent more an odd caricature of the elaborate preconciliar liturgical grandeur than a step in the right direction towards immemorial rites and symbols, which so brilliantly formed the preconciliar cult.
ReplyDeleteWould be nice to see the Throne at Christmas and Easter celebrations at the least. Not everything has to be abolished from sight forever. Too much haste.
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