Quebec, the crown jewel of North American Catholicism; then came collapse with the sixties cultural revolution. Consider being a missioner in Quebec. Is this your vocation? There is always great joy in doing the Lord's work.
Nice urban winter photo. I have a question. Do you know that if before Vatican II, if priests, or even seminarians, were they allowed to wear the cassock wherever they went in public(not restricted to Church-grounds), or were they restricted akin to the prescriptions of the 3rd Baltimore conference which applied to the United States? I ask this about Canada in general, and Quebec(and other very Catholic provinces) specifically. Any info, with authority if possible, is appreciated. I enjoy viewing your interesting photos. Joe
With regards to Canada prior to Vatican II, priests would wear their cassocks on church property and wear the clerical suit in public. This is according to a priest friend of mine who was born in the late 40s and remembers everything before the Council. Although, my understanding of the situation is that while the 3rd Baltimore conference gave an indult to priests wanting to wear the clerical suit in public, instead of the cassock, it did not forbid the priests to wear their cassock in public.
In Canada the tradition of clerical dress came from France. The habit was always worn in public before the Revolution. The Jesuits and Oblates of Mary Immaculate set the standard in Quebec.
Starting with the Quiet Revolution in the 1960s, Quebec has embarked on a radical experiment in social and economic transformation, which has changed the face and character of the province forever. In just half a century, Quebec has gone from a traditional, religiously oriented society with an economy largely reliant on agriculture and natural resource extraction, to a modern, secular, social-democratic state modeled upon Western European lines with a highly diversified and increasingly high-tech economy. Changing the very soul of a province is not an easy task, since not everyone can be expected to welcome the creation of such a "brave new world." So early on, Quebec reformers concluded that, if they were to succeed, they would need a powerful institution capable of driving their agenda. The result was the creation of a large and highly-interventionist state that reaches into all aspects of society and impacts virtually all aspects of economic and personal life. From the beginning, this state has sought to change the way Quebecers live, work and think - by promoting greater equality and inclusion and by imposing an uncompromising secularism (THAT AT TIMES HAS SMACKED OF INTOLERANCE TOWARD RELIGION AND TRADITIONAL MODES OF LIVING).
Et c'est nous pauvres Québécois nés en 1940 à 1950, avons vu tous ces changements et n'n'avons pas protesté. J'arrive d'une rencontre diocésaine d'environ 55 prêtres et diacres, et trois portaient le collet romain. Certains, n'ont jamais mis cela d leur vie.
Third Plenary Council of Baltimore was only for USA. There were no synodal decrees in Canada on the soutane. Penalties for clergy not dressed as clergy came from Trent (Sess xiv, Chapter 6, De Reform).
Nice urban winter photo.
ReplyDeleteI have a question. Do you know that if before Vatican II, if priests, or even seminarians, were they allowed to wear the cassock wherever they went in public(not restricted to Church-grounds), or were they restricted akin to the prescriptions of the 3rd Baltimore conference which applied to the United States?
I ask this about Canada in general, and Quebec(and other very Catholic provinces) specifically. Any info, with authority if possible, is appreciated.
I enjoy viewing your interesting photos.
Joe
With regards to Canada prior to Vatican II, priests would wear their cassocks on church property and wear the clerical suit in public. This is according to a priest friend of mine who was born in the late 40s and remembers everything before the Council. Although, my understanding of the situation is that while the 3rd Baltimore conference gave an indult to priests wanting to wear the clerical suit in public, instead of the cassock, it did not forbid the priests to wear their cassock in public.
DeleteCatholic priests can wear their cassocks anywhere. We wish they would!
ReplyDeleteThere was never a prohibition against clerical dress in Canada.
In Canada the tradition of clerical dress came from France. The habit was always worn in public before the Revolution. The Jesuits and Oblates of Mary Immaculate set the standard in Quebec.
ReplyDeleteStarting with the Quiet Revolution in the 1960s, Quebec has embarked on a radical experiment in social and economic transformation, which has changed the face and character of the province forever. In just half a century, Quebec has gone from a traditional, religiously oriented society with an economy largely reliant on agriculture and natural resource extraction, to a modern, secular, social-democratic state modeled upon Western European lines with a highly diversified and increasingly high-tech economy. Changing the very soul of a province is not an easy task, since not everyone can be expected to welcome the creation of such a "brave new world." So early on, Quebec reformers concluded that, if they were to succeed, they would need a powerful institution capable of driving their agenda. The result was the creation of a large and highly-interventionist state that reaches into all aspects of society and impacts virtually all aspects of economic and personal life. From the beginning, this state has sought to change the way Quebecers live, work and think - by promoting greater equality and inclusion and by imposing an uncompromising secularism (THAT AT TIMES HAS SMACKED OF INTOLERANCE TOWARD RELIGION AND TRADITIONAL MODES OF LIVING).
ReplyDeleteEt c'est nous pauvres Québécois nés en 1940 à 1950, avons vu tous ces changements et n'n'avons pas protesté. J'arrive d'une rencontre diocésaine d'environ 55 prêtres et diacres, et trois portaient le collet romain. Certains, n'ont jamais mis cela d leur vie.
ReplyDeleteThird Plenary Council of Baltimore was only for USA. There were no synodal decrees in Canada on the soutane. Penalties for clergy not dressed as clergy came from Trent (Sess xiv, Chapter 6, De Reform).
ReplyDeleteIs this photo taken in Montreal?
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