I get the feeling if it's just a little bit, both Catholic tradition and traditional Catholic clerical vesture, religious habits, and even the monastic tonsure is re-appearing in the streets of Rome after a long banishment by the Paul VI/John Paul II regimes. Do you feel this might be so? I've seen photos (and not just on this great blog), of younger (45 and under) priests (especially those below 40), who are brining back little by little both the Tridentine Latin Mass, and traditional priestly and religious vesture.
I have neighbors who are solidly traditional Catholics, who visited Rome at Christmas....they go every year either at Christmas, Easter, or Summertime...and they said in the last 10 years, and especially the last 5-6, there has been a return to visible Catholic tradition in Rome. They said it's the priests mostly from their late 50's to into their 80's who you will more often see slovenly dressed in mismatched clerical shirts and slacks...or in layclothes with a gold cross pin attached to a shirt collar or lapel, but that youngish priests (below 50, and especially below 40), are adopting the Roman cassock, soutane, Roman flat saturno hat, and religious habits again. Our neighbors said they never saw so many young friars of various Orders, and young priests in different style cassocks than the last 5-6 years in Rome. They've been going to Rome since the late 1950's (their both in their 80's), and they said that from about 1972, all the way into the last 1990's, they would rarely see a cassock, or a traditional habit onthe streets of Rome. But now, among male religious, the young are very much in habits. For nuns, they paint a bleaker picture. They say there are still some Orders of nuns in Italy and Rome that wear the old habits.....and they are mostly young....but that the aged, habitless or short grey skirt nuns still prevail...and they are all very old. Pray for a return to tradition among them too....because the liberal habitless Orders in Italy and elsewhere, and the liberal Orders of priests are dying out super fast. Some well know communities of 200+ years (and in some cases 750+ years existance), will be gone in 10 years.
If we want vocations we must wear the habit. Otherwise we have vocations retreats and young men are not interested. The problem today is that priests are trying to do what layp eople do and the lay people are trying to do what the priests do. -A Passionist
I (a transitional deacon) recently purchased a saturno. I bought it from professionals and they knew it was for me. However, the inside (completely invisible when I am wearing it, outside is totally black) is lined in scarlet. I have read that scarlet lining is for cardinals. Is this saturno intended for a higher-ranking cleric or is it just carelessness on the part of the hat-making industry? Do I need to worry about this or should I just wear it as is?
I get the feeling if it's just a little bit, both Catholic tradition and traditional Catholic clerical vesture, religious habits, and even the monastic tonsure is re-appearing in the streets of Rome after a long banishment by the Paul VI/John Paul II regimes. Do you feel this might be so?
ReplyDeleteI've seen photos (and not just on this great blog), of younger (45 and under) priests (especially those below 40), who are brining back little by little both the Tridentine Latin Mass, and traditional priestly and religious vesture.
I have neighbors who are solidly traditional Catholics, who visited Rome at Christmas....they go every year either at Christmas, Easter, or Summertime...and they said in the last 10 years, and especially the last 5-6, there has been a return to visible Catholic tradition in Rome. They said it's the priests mostly from their late 50's to into their 80's who you will more often see slovenly dressed in mismatched clerical shirts and slacks...or in layclothes with a gold cross pin attached to a shirt collar or lapel, but that youngish priests (below 50, and especially below 40), are adopting the Roman cassock, soutane, Roman flat saturno hat, and religious habits again.
Our neighbors said they never saw so many young friars of various Orders, and young priests in different style cassocks than the last 5-6 years in Rome. They've been going to Rome since the late 1950's (their both in their 80's), and they said that from about 1972, all the way into the last 1990's, they would rarely see a cassock, or a traditional habit onthe streets of Rome. But now, among male religious, the young are very much in habits.
For nuns, they paint a bleaker picture. They say there are still some Orders of nuns in Italy and Rome that wear the old habits.....and they are mostly young....but that the aged, habitless or short grey skirt nuns still prevail...and they are all very old.
Pray for a return to tradition among them too....because the liberal habitless Orders in Italy and elsewhere, and the liberal Orders of priests are dying out super fast. Some well know communities of 200+ years (and in some cases 750+ years existance), will be gone in 10 years.
If we want vocations we must wear the habit. Otherwise we have vocations retreats and young men are not interested. The problem today is that priests are trying to do what layp eople do and the lay people are trying to do what the priests do. -A Passionist
ReplyDeleteThere is a mythology around the cassock.
ReplyDeleteTHIS PRIEST IS IN HIS 61 YRS OLD.....NEVER GAVE IT UP.......
ReplyDeleteI (a transitional deacon) recently purchased a saturno. I bought it from professionals and they knew it was for me. However, the inside (completely invisible when I am wearing it, outside is totally black) is lined in scarlet. I have read that scarlet lining is for cardinals. Is this saturno intended for a higher-ranking cleric or is it just carelessness on the part of the hat-making industry? Do I need to worry about this or should I just wear it as is?
ReplyDeleteSuch a pic stirs vocations with sacred aura and a bit of glamor.
ReplyDeleteThe inside colour was always red. Today it is sometimes white. Each surely is acceptable.
ReplyDeleteTHE PRIEST IN THE PICTURE IS A CANON OF THE CHURCH
ReplyDeleteTHE PRIEST IN THE PICTURE IS V. REV. CANON JOHN ANTHONY PINTABONE, A CANON OF THE CHURCH AND PRIEST OF THE ARCHDIOCESE OF NY
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