Although I normally enjoy reading your blog, I find this comparison (somewhat) unfair. The Novus Ordo Mass being celebrated in this video is clearly filled with abuse. Why not compare a Novus Ordo Mass celebrated at St. Agnes in St. Paul, MN or one celebrated in the Brompton Oratory? This video is like those comparing the traditional Latin Mass to a Novus Ordo Mass filled with abuse. Please post something a little more "fair." In case you're wondering, I do prefer the traditional Mass over the Novus Ordo, however, I am privileged to belong at a parish where the Novus Ordo is said reverently and the traditional Mass is welcomed.
Why hold the LA event as the standard of Latin Liturgy? It's not. Unfair comparison...they are comparing apples to oranges. It would make more sense to compare the Good Friday liturgy of the Patriarch to the Good Friday liturgy of a Metropolitan Bishop.
Of course, while we focus on the abuse in the video, from which the shock value is derived, they're some other differences. Artistically, the LA conferences decor and vestments are a macrocosm of what many Churches use. The music is totally compatible with what most Catholic Churches allow and I live the reality every day in my Catholic High School. The clapping can be found in the parish of my childhood, the girl altar servers are common place, the lack of reverence is widespread. Aside from the abuse, it's totally fair.
Liturgy in the Roman Rite used to be just as reverent and beautiful. God bless the priests who are trying to keep it that way today, despite opposition from the "people" and the bishops.
My preference? Moscow on Good Friday, although the collaboration of the Moscow Patriarchate with the former Soviet and current Russian regimes in oppressing other denominations both inside and outside Russia (specifically in Ukraine) needs to be remembered. Is the Novus Ordo Mass portrayed full of abuses? Absolutely. Is it heretical? Is anyone attending that service denying the Trinity or the Divinity of Christ? Is the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist being denied? Are the people there worshipping God, albeit in a fashion hard to describe as reverent? Let God judge. Not my cup of tea, but "judge not, lest ye be judged."
I would rather Assist at This "beautiful side of heaven" than those respectively Modernist and Schismatic Orthodox Liturgies. The Former being Presided by a "Father" of Two Kids out of Wedlock.
That's so unfair.
ReplyDeleteOn one side they present the most extraordinary example of the Orthodox Liturgy and on the other the worse example of the Roman Liturgy.
Hey if you want bad examples of the Byzantine Liturgy I can probably get you dozens.
I can also get you magnificent examples of the Roman Liturgy.
Oh and by the way I attend the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, and our Liturgies at Saint Elias in Brampton are superb.
Although I normally enjoy reading your blog, I find this comparison (somewhat) unfair. The Novus Ordo Mass being celebrated in this video is clearly filled with abuse. Why not compare a Novus Ordo Mass celebrated at St. Agnes in St. Paul, MN or one celebrated in the Brompton Oratory? This video is like those comparing the traditional Latin Mass to a Novus Ordo Mass filled with abuse. Please post something a little more "fair." In case you're wondering, I do prefer the traditional Mass over the Novus Ordo, however, I am privileged to belong at a parish where the Novus Ordo is said reverently and the traditional Mass is welcomed.
ReplyDeleteWhy hold the LA event as the standard of Latin Liturgy? It's not. Unfair comparison...they are comparing apples to oranges. It would make more sense to compare the Good Friday liturgy of the Patriarch to the Good Friday liturgy of a Metropolitan Bishop.
ReplyDeleteOf course it is an unfair comparison. Although the point is well made.
ReplyDeleteOf course, while we focus on the abuse in the video, from which the shock value is derived, they're some other differences. Artistically, the LA conferences decor and vestments are a macrocosm of what many Churches use. The music is totally compatible with what most Catholic Churches allow and I live the reality every day in my Catholic High School. The clapping can be found in the parish of my childhood, the girl altar servers are common place, the lack of reverence is widespread. Aside from the abuse, it's totally fair.
ReplyDeleteLiturgy in the Roman Rite used to be just as reverent and beautiful. God bless the priests who are trying to keep it that way today, despite opposition from the "people" and the bishops.
ReplyDeleteMy preference? Moscow on Good Friday, although the collaboration of the Moscow Patriarchate with the former Soviet and current Russian regimes in oppressing other denominations both inside and outside Russia (specifically in Ukraine) needs to be remembered. Is the Novus Ordo Mass portrayed full of abuses? Absolutely. Is it heretical? Is anyone attending that service denying the Trinity or the Divinity of Christ? Is the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist being denied? Are the people there worshipping God, albeit in a fashion hard to describe as reverent? Let God judge. Not my cup of tea, but "judge not, lest ye be judged."
ReplyDeleteI live in the Diocese of Oakland (CA) and I have seen liturgies that are worse than the one that took place in Los Angeles.
ReplyDeleteI would rather Assist at This "beautiful side of heaven" than those respectively Modernist and Schismatic Orthodox Liturgies. The Former being Presided by a "Father" of Two Kids out of Wedlock.
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